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		<title>By: kareninitalia</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>kareninitalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, no.  The lecture/notes were in Italian, but since there were only 2 exchange students in my section, our prof just made us take the exam with the english class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, no.  The lecture/notes were in Italian, but since there were only 2 exchange students in my section, our prof just made us take the exam with the english class.</p>
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		<title>By: aepfelx</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>aepfelx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;BTW, that&#039;s another thing that makes me uncomfortable--very little ethnic diversity here. I have yet to see a black student at school. There are also no facilities to accomodate the physically impared.&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, yes. Ditto the above -- welcome to The Rest Of The World. And Italy, IIRC, has by far the highest rate of immigration from subsaharan Africa in Europe. There were certainly hordes of people from those parts when I was walking around the Genovese ghettoes, so there&#039;re surely a fair number around Milan, too, but I doubt they&#039;ve dabbled in affirmative action over there, so their absence on campus is not particularly surprising (given that most of the immigration has been very recent, and from regions without any serious accessible education system).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>BTW, that&#8217;s another thing that makes me uncomfortable&#8211;very little ethnic diversity here. I have yet to see a black student at school. There are also no facilities to accomodate the physically impared.</i></p>
<p>Ah, yes. Ditto the above &#8212; welcome to The Rest Of The World. And Italy, IIRC, has by far the highest rate of immigration from subsaharan Africa in Europe. There were certainly hordes of people from those parts when I was walking around the Genovese ghettoes, so there&#8217;re surely a fair number around Milan, too, but I doubt they&#8217;ve dabbled in affirmative action over there, so their absence on campus is not particularly surprising (given that most of the immigration has been very recent, and from regions without any serious accessible education system).</p>
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		<title>By: kareninitalia</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>kareninitalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get funny looks for saying &#039;America&#039; too.  Surprisingly, most people I&#039;ve met dislike America in general and love California -- one of the perks of being from an awesome state.

But usually people are being polite by asking where I&#039;m from.  The more common question is: Chinese? Japanese?
I would be curious to meet a black person here to ask if he/she needs to clarify from which african country he/she originates.  BTW, that&#039;s another thing that makes me uncomfortable--very little ethnic diversity here.  I have yet to see a black student at school.  There are also no facilities to accomodate the physically impared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get funny looks for saying &#8216;America&#8217; too.  Surprisingly, most people I&#8217;ve met dislike America in general and love California &#8212; one of the perks of being from an awesome state.</p>
<p>But usually people are being polite by asking where I&#8217;m from.  The more common question is: Chinese? Japanese?<br />
I would be curious to meet a black person here to ask if he/she needs to clarify from which african country he/she originates.  BTW, that&#8217;s another thing that makes me uncomfortable&#8211;very little ethnic diversity here.  I have yet to see a black student at school.  There are also no facilities to accomodate the physically impared.</p>
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		<title>By: aepfelx</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>aepfelx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, they&#039;ll probably independently look at you funny if you answer &quot;california&quot; because people outside the US are unlikely to consider states the &quot;default&quot; geographical entity -- you&#039;re either from the &quot;US&quot; or from one of the major metropolitan areas (&quot;san francisco&quot; is probably a reasonable answer, but not &quot;san jose&quot;). in europe you&#039;re unlikely to hear someone say, as their first response, that they&#039;re from &quot;normandy&quot;, or from &quot;andalucia&quot; unless you&#039;re within the respective country (or the administrative subdivision in question is particularly adamantly clawing for a national identity, a la catalunya or wales or something).

you&#039;ll also notice that europeans will be very confused if shown a US-style political world map where there&#039;s one color per country but each US state gets its own color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, they&#8217;ll probably independently look at you funny if you answer &#8220;california&#8221; because people outside the US are unlikely to consider states the &#8220;default&#8221; geographical entity &#8212; you&#8217;re either from the &#8220;US&#8221; or from one of the major metropolitan areas (&#8220;san francisco&#8221; is probably a reasonable answer, but not &#8220;san jose&#8221;). in europe you&#8217;re unlikely to hear someone say, as their first response, that they&#8217;re from &#8220;normandy&#8221;, or from &#8220;andalucia&#8221; unless you&#8217;re within the respective country (or the administrative subdivision in question is particularly adamantly clawing for a national identity, a la catalunya or wales or something).</p>
<p>you&#8217;ll also notice that europeans will be very confused if shown a US-style political world map where there&#8217;s one color per country but each US state gets its own color.</p>
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		<title>By: aepfelx</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>aepfelx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s (at least) the European thing. Even if your family&#039;s lived in US (or Italy) for that matter for 10 generations, if you&#039;re still largely the same ethnicity as your immigrant ancestors by blood, no one will consider you American (or Italian, or whatnot).

My mother, e.g., refers to jacks as &quot;Swedish Jack&quot; (to distinguish him from a HS friend of mine named Jack who, independently of having been born in CA gets &quot;Chinese Jack&quot;).

Think about it -- it&#039;s not as foreign to the average American&#039;s perspective as you might think -- after all, you&#039;ll still consider a black person around here black even if his family&#039;s been in the US since the 18th century. It&#039;s just that Europeans have finer-grained distinctions of the same sort. And yes, the average European will (at least think that he can) distinguish ethnicities at that fine-grained level from just looking at the person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s (at least) the European thing. Even if your family&#8217;s lived in US (or Italy) for that matter for 10 generations, if you&#8217;re still largely the same ethnicity as your immigrant ancestors by blood, no one will consider you American (or Italian, or whatnot).</p>
<p>My mother, e.g., refers to jacks as &#8220;Swedish Jack&#8221; (to distinguish him from a HS friend of mine named Jack who, independently of having been born in CA gets &#8220;Chinese Jack&#8221;).</p>
<p>Think about it &#8212; it&#8217;s not as foreign to the average American&#8217;s perspective as you might think &#8212; after all, you&#8217;ll still consider a black person around here black even if his family&#8217;s been in the US since the 18th century. It&#8217;s just that Europeans have finer-grained distinctions of the same sort. And yes, the average European will (at least think that he can) distinguish ethnicities at that fine-grained level from just looking at the person.</p>
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		<title>By: icka</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>icka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow...goodness!
did you have to answer in italian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;goodness!<br />
did you have to answer in italian?</p>
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		<title>By: janviere</title>
		<link>http://karenism.com/blog/2005/12/15/more-exam-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>janviere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a non-American thing.  I get it too, like everyone must originally be from some real country.  &quot;Where are you from?&quot; &quot;California.&quot;  &quot;But where is your *family* from?&quot; &quot;Uhh, California.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a non-American thing.  I get it too, like everyone must originally be from some real country.  &#8220;Where are you from?&#8221; &#8220;California.&#8221;  &#8220;But where is your *family* from?&#8221; &#8220;Uhh, California.&#8221;</p>
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